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December 8th, 2011
Oath Keepers Receive Tip of National Guard Unit Stand-Down, Refusing to Answer Questionnaire Asking if They Would Use Lethal Force Against the American People
The below tip was posted on the official Oath Keepers Facebook Page by user “Pat Lowe.” We are in the process of verifying this tip, so it is as of yet unconfirmed, but we wanted you to be aware of it (it certainly would be good news for a change!). We will post and send out updates as we confirm and verify.
Message on Oath Keepers Facebook Page:
I hope you enjoy this great news as I did when I was told.
OUTSTANDING!! I just left my neighbors house. Devon is with the National Guard for this area. He just got home from a EDRE (emergency deployment readiness exercise) at the armory. He said that during the exercise 3 companies of infantry were polled by questionare about the drill and it’s purpose. One of the questions was, will you as a member of the Nat. Guard use lethal force against the American public if ordered to do so? One of the men stepped forward and refused to take the poll and explained that it was a moral judgement on his part and that he could not do so. He then placed his weapon on the ground and fell in behind the formation. Devon said it was like a waterfall, Every member layed their weapons on the deck and fell in beside the one lone specialist. This included ALL NCO’s, STAFF NCO’s and SENIOR NCO’s. The only people left in front of the original formation was 3 Capt’s. 2 Lt’s and the BN Commander who was so upset he started having chest pains from yelling and screaming about court martials and disbandment of the unit into other units. Devon is a Mstr.Sgt and he went with his troops and told them that he could not be prouder of any of them. He was floating while he was telling me this. Maybe we have more than just hope on our side. SEMPER FI. my thanks for the honor of being here Robert.
I just heard from Devon. He was TX’d by his Plt LDR and advised that the Specialist Who first layed down his weapon is being held in county jail by the Bn CMDR, awaiting a hearing under the UCMJ. Devon couldn’t get any more info than that. I don’t want to post the mans name until we have more information. I am so upset by this that I am having chest pains. How can they do this to one soldier and not them all. I will let you know how things go. Think I might go lay down for a bit. SEMPER FI.
That is great, sort of, to hear. That the officers wont stand by THEIR oath is troubling. Where is this?
NOTE FROM STEWART RHODES:
Again, this is unconfirmed, and we are working on confirming it. Please keep that in mind. But this is certainly the kind of mass, whole-unit stand-down that may well become necessary, especially in light of the treason of the US Senate, which voted 93-7 to authorize military detention and trial of U.S. citizens — claiming the power to apply the laws of war to the American people in the same way as they are used on a conquered, enemy population, like Iraq or Afghanistan. While National Guard units can, and have been used for riot control without violating their oath, we suspect that this survey was asking them about whether they would do something far worse than just keep the peace during riots. We will do our best to get to the bottom of this, and provide all details once confirmed.
If accurate, this is reminiscent of the stand-down during Katrina by SSGT Joshua May’s Utah National Guard Unit, where the whole unit let their commander know, in a peremptory refusal, that they would not participate in any gun confiscation:
UPDATE Dec. 8:
I just left both people involved with the incident that took place in the last few days. The soldiers do not want to pursue this matter any further, in any way shape or form. I was advised that the situation is being dealt with inhouse and there will be internal investigations into the conduct of certain ‘officers’ who started the poll and ordered certain persons held. The person allegedly being held was only there for a couple of hours. No punishment will be handed down to any of the soldiers involved. I cannot give any further information as to names dates reasons units or places. This is in respect to my friends here. If this upsets anyone I am sorry but this is the way the soldiers want it. You have my deepest apology and I truly wish I had never spoken about any of this with my friends here on or FB. I will be posting no more information of this type due to the repercussions which could come from this.
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130 Responses to “Oath Keepers Receive Tip of National Guard Unit Stand-Down, Refusing to Answer Questionnaire Asking if They Would Use Lethal Force Against the American People”
Robin W. Tong Says:
December 8th, 2011 at 2:56 am
As my heart leaps for joy at the reporting of this story, having myself once stood trial at general court martial for daring to question and engage in civii disobedience, we all need to be aware that if these and other stories are true, these soldiers could very well be the 1st amongst thousands of servicemen and citizens whom are renditioned to an unknown fate under the new ‘powers’ our government has declared.
Even if this turns out to be an urban legend, the illustration of the Oath and Duty are self evident. If these stories can be vetted, all the better.
At a time when the Supreme Court, Congress, and our President are united in the declaration that the United States can kill or rendition any American Citizen without trial or due process, Our nation and the patriot movement need some bonefide heros to rally around.
December 8th, 2011 at 5:45 am
I hope we can confirm this soon. So far we’ve only heard this from one guy on Facebook. That’s about as trustworthy as a YouTube comment, lol. Hopefully he will contact Stewart, and we can find out for sure.
Michael Archangerl Says:
December 8th, 2011 at 8:48 am
Clinton did the same thing at the 29 Palms Marine base in California. Obama stated that he wanted
his own military, reporting to him, in the United States when he was elected. You can not
expect anything else from traitors to the Constitution.
December 8th, 2011 at 8:53 am
Everyone connected with OK is hopeful that the story can be confirmed, I know I am. Another question I’d like to raise is: If this sory IS true, then HOW exactly is this Guardsman able to be arrested?! Having read the story, I don’t see where he broke any constitutional law! All he did is refuse to answer the survey! I don’t see where anyone had been given a lawful order to take part in and complete the survey! Maybe I am wrong and if I am, I’d apprieciate one of my fellow OK’s showing me where I am mistaken.
Alfred J. Paggi Says:
December 8th, 2011 at 8:59 am
very proud of our “Army” National Guard troops who have proved themselves over and over again in serving our country. Semper Fi is a marine slogan but as their record proves the Army soldiers are every bit as good but just don’t look for the credit as much. AJ Paggi, Army Vietnam Veteran
Jim Casselman Says:
December 8th, 2011 at 9:00 am
Anyone that knows someone in the military now, should ask them if possible to let you know if the are asked these questions.Then in turn let Oathkeepers know.
December 8th, 2011 at 9:02 am
I sincerely hope that this story is true and confirmed. Just visualizing it gave me chills!
If it is true, then we need to unite in defense of the Specialist that was arrested.
N. E. Threat Says:
December 8th, 2011 at 9:02 am
If soldiers are being told to use deadly force on American Civilians this just confirms all conspiracy therories out there. If our soldiers won’t protect us which goes against their oath of office then we know GOD Will.
December 8th, 2011 at 9:05 am
Wow! Let’s pray that other units will act the same way. Shoulder to should, not face to face, is how I pray we will stand against tyranny.
David Macko Says:
December 8th, 2011 at 9:06 am
God bless and protect them if this is true.
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